On January 7th, 2005 Equinox was asked,
I've never understood that 100th
monkey thing. Could you briefly explain
that please?
EQ: The concept is that when enough minds accept something as
fact,
the entirety of the planet or the majority of the planet accepts it
without question. It is as we have said before, for thousands of
years
on this planet it was believed that man could never fly until
approximately 1850’s and someone said, “Hmmm, perhaps.” And some
work
started and enough people started thinking and enough others started
thinking, “Well, why not?” Until, right at the end, it
happened. For
there were enough minds that accepted it. It could be. It’s
like this
with everything.
Can’t an individual…
EQ: There are individuals that surpass this - the Avatars, the
Jesus Christs, the Buddhas, the Muhammads.
How did they do this?
EQ: Because they stopped believing in the illusion. They
found their way out of the matrix.
But did they do that through meditation or…just with that belief?
How did Jesus of Nazareth do it?
EQ: We believe that this entity came to this planet for that
reason.
And although he had to initially believe so that he could learn to
understand, it was his soul’s intent to get out of the illusion.
And
what created it for him were enough questions and enough ability to
stand outside of the box, standing outside and observing and seeing
himself standing outside observing - dost thou understand what we mean?
- that he realized that it was an illusion. And once he truly
accepted
that and stopped living in it, the illusion disappeared. Now that
does
not mean that there were not times when he started feeling the illusion
again, and he would go away.
Was that why he was gone for that period of time?
EQ: Partially. Partially. He was living outside of
the illusion. The illusion that thee are physical is an illusion.
So the 40 days in the desert…
EQ: This is part of it, yes. This is the one that is most
known, but
there were many, many times when he stepped away to re-evaluate his
non-physicalness. And this is true of Buddha, of Muhammed, of all
of
thy avatars. If thee read their history, if it is recorded
correctly,
thee will see this. They withdrew.
It is often said that when we are born here on Terra that we forget
what it was like on the other side when we were pure spirit.
Would you
say that Jesus, Buddha, all the other avatars, never forgot?
EQ: No. No. First of all, thee don’t forget. It
is easier to say
that thee are dreaming this. Dost thou understand? When
thee are in a
dream, it feels as though it is real. Does it not? Thee are
all
dreaming. They woke up.
Not only did they wake up though, they woke up and tried to tell
other people how to wake up.
EQ: Exactly.
So are there people who just wake up and not tell other people about
it?
EQ: No.
No?
Because you couldn’t help but glow about it, right?
EQ: No, it isn’t that thee are glowing about it. It is that
it is almost a need, a desire to wake others.
To create the body, the Source, the energies, the experiences from
each person?
EQ: No. It is as close to that movie that we referenced,
the Matrix,
as possible. It is that close. They got it and they try to
educate.
Beyond telling yourself that it’s an illusion or hearing you tell us
that it’s an illusion and trying to make yourself believe that it’s an
illusion, how do you go that step to realize that it’s an illusion?
EQ: If we could tell thee this, then would not the world wake up?
Yes.
EQ: It is an individual thing, accepting that all this is not
real.
We have been saying this for all these millennia that we have been
coming that it is an illusion, but yet, still, this planet lives in
fear. And if fear is an illusion…dost thou understand? We
have said
to thee often: what is the worst that can happen? Thee die.
Why do
thee fear this? But thee do. If we were to ask most
humanity if they
wanted to die, they’d say, “Heck no!” And then in the next breath
if
we asked humanity if they were happy, they’d say, “No.”
When I’m driving down the road, there are certain things I do while
I’m
driving to sort of manipulate the energy and the lights. When I
say,
“Please keep the lanes open and the lights green,” it happens for me
all the time. Because I really believe that it is possible, that what
I’m asking for exists already. Do you understand what I’m saying?
EQ: Yes, we understand completely, but thee are backward.
See, what
thee are thinking is that thee are creating these things, and what we
would say is those things aren’t even there. It is very easy to
create
them. They’re not there! So, thee can make them any color
thee want!
So are we here just to learn that we’re not here?
EQ: There are choosing to be here to have experiences.
So, that’s what it’s all about. Nothing is of no value.
EQ: It’s not that nothing is of no value.
So right now we’re sitting here and we’re not really here?
EQ: Thee are not sitting there.
It is hard to wrap your mind around this.
EQ: It is. And if it were not, then this would be
different. Would it not?
The majority of Terra…
EQ: Absolutely believes that their body rules everything.
And no
matter how many times thee are proven that this isn’t so, no matter how
many entities that thee know that have healed themselves of diseases
that should have killed them, beings are still dying, are they not, of
the same diseases. Is this no so? Thee are shown over and
over and
over that this is an illusion. Every time thee look at science,
what
thee will see is an absolute scientific fact within 40 years is a
absolutely unscientific fact. How is that so?
So if it’s all for the experience, what difference does it make how
you live?
EQ: It doesn’t. It only makes a difference to thee.
Doesn’t it make a difference to the Source?
EQ: No. We have already said the Source adores you.
The Source
doesn’t know good, bad or evil. All the Source knows is whatever
thee
are sending it. If thee are miserable, the Source says, “Ah, thee
must
like this.” If thee are happy, the Source says, “Oh, this is
nice,
too.” It’s energy.
When we were all collected with the Source and not spread out like
we are with these souls…
EQ: But thee aren’t. Thee are still there.
I know that’s an illusion. I know. But, lets say for
example that we’re all in a group now…
EQ: No, we do not want to say that because that keeps the
illusion.
If thee keep saying these things, thee are living the illusion.
Instead say, “Before we were dreaming…”
Before we were dreaming, all this information we are gathering at
this time, wasn’t that already known?
EQ: Yes.
So then, does that mean that this is about just doing the experience
part because we already have the knowledge about it, we just have to
experience it, right?
EQ: Yes, because everyone experiences differently. So think
of all
the wondrous emotions and energy that is being recharging all of thee.
It’s wild!
EQ: Yes, it’s wondrous. But the most important thing is we
are not
saying it is a goodly thing to be bad. We are not saying that
because
what does it do? Remember, there is a planetary karma.
Consequently,
if thee do bad, thee will feel guilt, because the planet says thee
will. Is this not so?
Unless we decide it doesn’t want to be that way.
EQ: Or another. On this planet, there is a belief that thee
must feel
pain. And this has also been shown to not be true. There
are many
people who have pain and pleasure mixed up. Is this not so?
And so
there are times that pleasure is painful. Is this not so?
Even
pleasure can be taken too far. So, this is not real [gesturing to
the
body].
What about animals? If you hurt an animal, the animal feels
pain. You can see it. Or do they pretend?
EQ: No, no, no. Animals absolutely feel pain, but are they
not on this planet?
Yes.
EQ: Are they no linked to thee?
Yes.
EQ: Are they not part of the planetary consciousness?
Yes.
EQ: Absolutely. And animals learn from thee. So if
thee stub thy toe
and scream, the animal says, “Hmmm, that must hurt. I can feel
that.
I’ll bet that would hurt me if someone stepped on my toe. Ahhh!”
So is there any difference between helping an injured bird and
helping an injured human being?
EQ: No. There is no difference.
Because we’re all linked.
EQ: Now ask us if there is any difference helping the planet
herself.
Is there any difference?
EQ: It is the wisest of all moves, for everything else exists
upon
her. If she is very, very sick, what happens to everything that
lives
on her?
Everything gets sick.
EQ: And thee wonder why life is chaotic now and energies are
chaotic
and many more sicknesses are happening upon Terra. This is
planetary
consciousness.
And the animals that live on it.
EQ: And everything.
We’ve recently had devastation upon Terra with the earthquake and
tsunami…
EQ: What we find very hysterical about this…we find this
humorous. Let us tell you why. Do thee have history?
Yes.
EQ: That thee can learn from?
Yes.
EQ: We’re back to the original question. And if thee
educate thyself, do thee see that this is cyclical?
Yes, it is.
EQ: It is cyclical. The planet has always cleansed itself,
it always
will cleanse itself because thee have never used her right. It
follows
cycles. Abuse her long enough, she will show you. And it
continues,
and it continues. The planet itself has wiped things off three
times.
Have we not said that before? Consequently, have thee learned?
So there’s a new wipe out coming?
EQ: It is all an illusion.
So, for the people in the tsunami, was that their karma?
EQ: [Laughs] We are sorry, but we found that very
enjoyable. Dost
thou believe that if thee are in a place when the planet does something
hostile that thee will die?
Do I believe that that’s what would happen? Not for everybody.
EQ: But do thee feel that it could happen to thee? If a big
wave comes, it could take thee away?
It could.
EQ: Good.
I don’t want it to.
EQ: Yes, but then it will.
If you believe it.
EQ: And this is what happened there. Was it karma? It
was planetary
karma. These entities know that if they treat the planet a
certain
way, that things happen. Correct? And it could happen
anywhere. And
if thee are standing in the middle of it, chances are it will do thee
in. But there were those that didn’t.
Because they didn’t see it?
EQ: Either that or they had more of a belief in their survival
than they had a belief in their demise.
So there’s power in your beliefs and saying “I’m protected.”
EQ: Well, it depends upon thy deepest belief. Thee can say
anything
thee want. If thee don’t believe it, it will not work. And
remember
again, there is planetary consciousness. Thee can not set thyself
on
fire – at this point – and believe that the fire will not consume thy
flesh. At this point, that won’t work. No matter how much
thee
believe this, because everyone watching thee is going to say, “Oh my,
she is burning alive!”
Does the planetary consciousness that governs enlightenment, does
that
whole thought process have to be changed before enlightenment can
happen for any individual?
EQ: No, individuals can reach a level of enlightenment.
This has been
proven by many entities upon Terra without help. Is it
harder?
Amazingly so.
I was wondering about all the people that were there on their
vacations. Did they, in their mind, plan that that was going to
be it?
EQ: It could have been that this was their choice for leaving the
planet. Everyone has their choice to leave.
Aren’t they still finding survivors?
EQ: Yes.
Even after four weeks.
They just believed they’d live.
EQ: And maybe they needed to have the experience of surviving
very roughly for a while.
At a soul level, you make those choices?
EQ: Yes.
Before coming here?
EQ: Yes.
It’s all written?
EQ: We do not want thee to be confused here. Thee are
dreaming. So,
let us use this for an example. Thee are worried.
Something’s going
wrong at work. Right? Thee fall asleep. Thee
have a dream. In the
dream, everything goes wrong at work. Correct? Is the dream
real?
Dost thou understand what we meant? She just said that the soul
sets
this up. Correct? Well, if thee are dreaming, the soul
says, “Hmm, I
think I want to play with this dream today.” It doesn’t set it
up, it
is dreaming it.
Some dreams are more powerful than other dreams. At least they
seem more powerful.
EQ: And they are more powerful.
So, for example, setting oneself on fire is a more powerful illusion
or belief than, say, I don’t need to be sad right now.
EQ: And let us tell thee why. Because the planet believes
that.
Everyone on the planet believes that scorching thy skin hurts.
Except for those guys who walk on coals in India.
EQ: And those guys that do set themselves on fire in India and
other
places and don’t survive it, they die through it, but they’re not
screaming in agony, are they? Ok? So to them it
isn’t. It is an
illusion. There are beings upon Terra that can partially get past
certain illusions and not others. There are beings on Terra that
get
past the illusion that emotions are less painful than physical.
Dost
thou understand?
No.
EQ: There are entities that if they love enough – which is an
emotion
– can withstand great deals of physical pain. Is this not
so? So,
they have surpassed, slightly, the overwhelming illusion, the planetary
illusion. Dost thou understand? But they can’t do it in the
entirety,
only in that place. Dost thou know why? Because upon Terra,
for Love,
thee can do anything! For a moment or so anyway. Is this
not so?
How much latitude do we have as individuals in going against what
the planetary consciousness says is so?
EQ: Once thee get out of the illusions thee have everything thee
can.
The planetary illusion no longer applies. Did Jesus walk on water?
Yes.
If it was reported right.
EQ: Yes. And whether that’s true or not is
irrelevant. We are using
the illusion. If he believed he could, then he could turn
it to ice,
lets say. And the whole planet believed he could walk on
it. The
question is how did he do it?
A little more about animals…I watched a program on TV about these
people who had a farm with a lot of chickens. They had this
rooster
that, when they chopped off his head, he did not die like all the other
chickens. He lived and they showed him in a freak show.
It’s as if
the bird did not know that you’re not supposed to live with out a head.
EQ: It is true, however, this bird had a little anomaly that they
didn’t talk about. It takes a certain part of the brain, the
pons, to
keep something alive. Dost thou understand?
They didn’t chop off the whole head?
EQ: No. They chopped off the whole head. It just so
happened that
his pons was in his neck. He did not need his head. This
did not mean
he was higher functioning. He was only able to function as a
rooster.
Dost thou understand? Dost thou need a higher functioning brain
to be
a rooster?
Was he enlightened? Oh…no.
EQ: Thee don’t need a higher functioning brain to be enlightened.
But that’s very similar to a person loosing a limb and having the
pain.
EQ: No. It is not similar. The phantom pain is due to
the fact that
thee are energy. Are thee not? If thee are truly energy and
are not
physical, as we’ve been saying all along, then when thee loose
anything, have thee lost it?
No.
But then, we never had it to begin with because it’s all an illusion.
EQ: Is this not fun?
It seems like the harder we try to transcend the illusion sometimes,
the harder it becomes.
EQ: Absolutely, because trying doesn’t work.
You either do it or you don’t.
EQ: No. It’s not even “you either do it or you
don’t”. It is all
about one little, itty bitty break in the illusion. And then thee
trust. And then the break gets bigger and thee trust more.
And the
break gets bigger and thee trust a little more. That’s what it
is. If
thee try to jump into it, thee will scare thyself. And what
happens
when thee are afraid?
You run away.
EQ: It shuts everything down. Thee go into the pons and
thee become a rooster!
You find that comfort zone and you stay there because you know it.
EQ: It’s a stretching the fabric. Making that small hole.
My brain hurts.
EQ: See. The brain hurts if you try too hard.
Have there been time in our lives when these opportunities have
presented themselves?
EQ: Absolutely.
It seems, I can’t remember a specific instance in my life, but it’s
almost like, “Wait. This isn’t real. Something’s not
right,” and then
it’s gone.
EQ: Yes, absolutely. That’s exactly what it is. Thee
have all had it
too. Have thee ever been sitting there and looking out at nothing
and
notice that everything seems to be waving?
Oh, yes.
EQ: And there’s no substance to it. What do you think that
is?
A migraine?
EQ: That’s a possibility too. But if no pain comes with it,
then we
would suggest that what thee are doing is the illusion is disappearing
a bit.
Can drugs lead you to that? I’ve heard of people taking drugs
and seeing things move.
EQ: We would say drugs alter the chemical balance and depending
upon
the person and how they handle the altering, it can or it can make
things worse.
I remember when I was little and sitting in church and bored, I
would
entertain myself by watching the statues move and the floor wave.
EQ: Yes. Thee were letting go of the illusion or recreating
a
different one. The one in which the statue was moving.
Changing thy
dream. Have thee ever done this?
Lucid dreaming.
EQ: Yes, very good. Have thee ever sat there and stared at
thyself
and then felt that thee were staring at someone thee didn’t know?
Yes.
EQ: This is what we were talking about that Jesus did, stepped
outside himself and watched himself.
So it’s not just all an illusion. It’s about enlightenment and
bringing everybody together, right?
EQ: Well, this is how thee get out of the illusion.
By bringing more people to consciousness?
EQ: This is how thee get out of the illusion, yes.
Everyone just has to find their own way to get through their
illusions?
EQ: Unfortunately, because this is the planetary consciousness,
that
it is not the linked consciousness, but the separate consciousness, yes.
So, when somebody says, “I believe in this,” or “I believe in that,”
you can look at them and say, “That’s good.” Because really, you
have
no opinion of what’s good for them or what’s not.
EQ: You shouldn’t have an opinion. It doesn’t do thee any
good anyway.
Why do we ask each other for each other’s opinion all the time?
EQ: And do thee listen?
No, unless it agrees with what we want to hear.
EQ: Exactly. And we would say that the reason thee are
doing this is
thee all have the desire to be linked, to be loved and accepted, but
none of thee feel like thee are.
So, once you’ve woken up, you can go in and out of the illusion at
will?
EQ: Well, as we said, thee can get lost in it again if thee are
not
careful. But if thee can be careful, yes, thee can go in and out
of
the illusion at will.
When you’re out of the illusion, are you literally out of it or can
you
still be present in the illusion and playing along with it?
EQ: Yes.
Like the actor playing the part and knowing he’s playing a part.
EQ: Yes. Exactly.
So, play your role.
EQ: Or create your role.
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