On January 7th, 2005 Equinox was asked,

    I've never understood that 100th monkey thing.  Could you briefly explain that please?


    EQ:  The concept is that when enough minds accept something as fact, the entirety of the planet or the majority of the planet accepts it without question.  It is as we have said before, for thousands of years on this planet it was believed that man could never fly until approximately 1850’s and someone said, “Hmmm, perhaps.”  And some work started and enough people started thinking and enough others started thinking, “Well, why not?”  Until, right at the end, it happened.  For there were enough minds that accepted it.  It could be.  It’s like this with everything.

    Can’t an individual…

    EQ:  There are individuals that surpass this - the Avatars, the Jesus Christs, the Buddhas, the Muhammads.

    How did they do this?

    EQ:  Because they stopped believing in the illusion.  They found their way out of the matrix.

    But did they do that through meditation or…just with that belief?

    How did Jesus of Nazareth do it?

    EQ:  We believe that this entity came to this planet for that reason.  And although he had to initially believe so that he could learn to understand, it was his soul’s intent to get out of the illusion.  And what created it for him were enough questions and enough ability to stand outside of the box, standing outside and observing and seeing himself standing outside observing - dost thou understand what we mean? - that he realized that it was an illusion.  And once he truly accepted that and stopped living in it, the illusion disappeared.  Now that does not mean that there were not times when he started feeling the illusion again, and he would go away.

    Was that why he was gone for that period of time?

    EQ:  Partially.  Partially.  He was living outside of the illusion.  The illusion that thee are physical is an illusion.

    So the 40 days in the desert…

    EQ:  This is part of it, yes.  This is the one that is most known, but there were many, many times when he stepped away to re-evaluate his non-physicalness.  And this is true of Buddha, of Muhammed, of all of thy avatars.  If thee read their history, if it is recorded correctly, thee will see this.  They withdrew.

    It is often said that when we are born here on Terra that we forget what it was like on the other side when we were pure spirit.  Would you say that Jesus, Buddha, all the other avatars, never forgot?

    EQ:  No.  No.  First of all, thee don’t forget.  It is easier to say that thee are dreaming this.  Dost thou understand?  When thee are in a dream, it feels as though it is real.  Does it not?  Thee are all dreaming.  They woke up.

    Not only did they wake up though, they woke up and tried to tell other people how to wake up.

    EQ:  Exactly.

    So are there people who just wake up and not tell other people about it?

    EQ:  No.

    No?

    Because you couldn’t help but glow about it, right?


    EQ:  No, it isn’t that thee are glowing about it.  It is that it is almost a need, a desire to wake others.

    To create the body, the Source, the energies, the experiences from each person?

    EQ:  No.  It is as close to that movie that we referenced, the Matrix, as possible.  It is that close.  They got it and they try to educate.

    Beyond telling yourself that it’s an illusion or hearing you tell us that it’s an illusion and trying to make yourself believe that it’s an illusion, how do you go that step to realize that it’s an illusion?

    EQ:  If we could tell thee this, then would not the world wake up?

    Yes.

    EQ:  It is an individual thing, accepting that all this is not real.  We have been saying this for all these millennia that we have been coming that it is an illusion, but yet, still, this planet lives in fear.  And if fear is an illusion…dost thou understand?  We have said to thee often: what is the worst that can happen?  Thee die.  Why do thee fear this?  But thee do.  If we were to ask most humanity if they wanted to die, they’d say, “Heck no!”  And then in the next breath if we asked humanity if they were happy, they’d say, “No.”

    When I’m driving down the road, there are certain things I do while I’m driving to sort of manipulate the energy and the lights.  When I say, “Please keep the lanes open and the lights green,” it happens for me all the time. Because I really believe that it is possible, that what I’m asking for exists already.  Do you understand what I’m saying?

    EQ:  Yes, we understand completely, but thee are backward.  See, what thee are thinking is that thee are creating these things, and what we would say is those things aren’t even there.  It is very easy to create them.  They’re not there!  So, thee can make them any color thee want!

    So are we here just to learn that we’re not here?

    EQ:  There are choosing to be here to have experiences.

    So, that’s what it’s all about.  Nothing is of no value.

    EQ:  It’s not that nothing is of no value.

    So right now we’re sitting here and we’re not really here?

    EQ:  Thee are not sitting there.

    It is hard to wrap your mind around this.

    EQ:  It is.  And if it were not, then this would be different.  Would it not?

    The majority of Terra…

    EQ:  Absolutely believes that their body rules everything.  And no matter how many times thee are proven that this isn’t so, no matter how many entities that thee know that have healed themselves of diseases that should have killed them, beings are still dying, are they not, of the same diseases.  Is this no so?  Thee are shown over and over and over that this is an illusion.  Every time thee look at science, what thee will see is an absolute scientific fact within 40 years is a absolutely unscientific fact.  How is that so?

    So if it’s all for the experience, what difference does it make how you live?

    EQ:  It doesn’t.  It only makes a difference to thee.

    Doesn’t it make a difference to the Source?

    EQ:  No.  We have already said the Source adores you.  The Source doesn’t know good, bad or evil.  All the Source knows is whatever thee are sending it.  If thee are miserable, the Source says, “Ah, thee must like this.”  If thee are happy, the Source says, “Oh, this is nice, too.”  It’s energy.

    When we were all collected with the Source and not spread out like we are with these souls…

    EQ:  But thee aren’t.  Thee are still there.

    I know that’s an illusion.  I know.  But, lets say for example that we’re all in a group now…

    EQ:  No, we do not want to say that because that keeps the illusion.  If thee keep saying these things, thee are living the illusion.  Instead say, “Before we were dreaming…”

    Before we were dreaming, all this information we are gathering at this time, wasn’t that already known?

    EQ:  Yes.

    So then, does that mean that this is about just doing the experience part because we already have the knowledge about it, we just have to experience it, right?

    EQ:  Yes, because everyone experiences differently.  So think of all the wondrous emotions and energy that is being recharging all of thee.

    It’s wild!

    EQ:  Yes, it’s wondrous.  But the most important thing is we are not saying it is a goodly thing to be bad.  We are not saying that because what does it do?  Remember, there is a planetary karma.  Consequently, if thee do bad, thee will feel guilt, because the planet says thee will.  Is this not so?

    Unless we decide it doesn’t want to be that way.

    EQ:  Or another.  On this planet, there is a belief that thee must feel pain.  And this has also been shown to not be true.  There are many people who have pain and pleasure mixed up.  Is this not so?  And so there are times that pleasure is painful.  Is this not so?  Even pleasure can be taken too far.  So, this is not real [gesturing to the body].

    What about animals?  If you hurt an animal, the animal feels pain.  You can see it.  Or do they pretend?

    EQ:  No, no, no.  Animals absolutely feel pain, but are they not on this planet?

    Yes.

    EQ:  Are they no linked to thee?

    Yes.

    EQ:  Are they not part of the planetary consciousness?

    Yes.

    EQ:  Absolutely.  And animals learn from thee.  So if thee stub thy toe and scream, the animal says, “Hmmm, that must hurt.  I can feel that.  I’ll bet that would hurt me if someone stepped on my toe.  Ahhh!”

    So is there any difference between helping an injured bird and helping an injured human being?

    EQ:  No.  There is no difference.

    Because we’re all linked.

    EQ:  Now ask us if there is any difference helping the planet herself.

    Is there any difference?

    EQ:  It is the wisest of all moves, for everything else exists upon her.  If she is very, very sick, what happens to everything that lives on her?

    Everything gets sick.

    EQ:  And thee wonder why life is chaotic now and energies are chaotic and many more sicknesses are happening upon Terra.  This is planetary consciousness.

    And the animals that live on it.

    EQ:  And everything.

    We’ve recently had devastation upon Terra with the earthquake and tsunami…

    EQ:  What we find very hysterical about this…we find this humorous.  Let us tell you why.  Do thee have history?

    Yes.

    EQ:  That thee can learn from?

    Yes.

    EQ:  We’re back to the original question.  And if thee educate thyself, do thee see that this is cyclical?

    Yes, it is.

    EQ:  It is cyclical.  The planet has always cleansed itself, it always will cleanse itself because thee have never used her right.  It follows cycles.  Abuse her long enough, she will show you.  And it continues, and it continues.  The planet itself has wiped things off three times.  Have we not said that before?  Consequently, have thee learned?

    So there’s a new wipe out coming?

    EQ:  It is all an illusion.

    So, for the people in the tsunami, was that their karma?

    EQ:  [Laughs]  We are sorry, but we found that very enjoyable.  Dost thou believe that if thee are in a place when the planet does something hostile that thee will die?

    Do I believe that that’s what would happen?  Not for everybody.

    EQ:  But do thee feel that it could happen to thee?  If a big wave comes, it could take thee away?

    It could.

    EQ:  Good.

    I don’t want it to.

    EQ:  Yes, but then it will. 

    If you believe it.

    EQ:  And this is what happened there.  Was it karma?  It was planetary karma.  These entities know that if they treat the planet a certain way, that things happen.  Correct?  And it could happen anywhere.  And if thee are standing in the middle of it, chances are it will do thee in.  But there were those that didn’t.

    Because they didn’t see it?

    EQ:  Either that or they had more of a belief in their survival than they had a belief in their demise.

    So there’s power in your beliefs and saying  “I’m protected.”

    EQ:  Well, it depends upon thy deepest belief.  Thee can say anything thee want.  If thee don’t believe it, it will not work.  And remember again, there is planetary consciousness.  Thee can not set thyself on fire – at this point – and believe that the fire will not consume thy flesh.  At this point, that won’t work.  No matter how much thee believe this, because everyone watching thee is going to say, “Oh my, she is burning alive!”

    Does the planetary consciousness that governs enlightenment, does that whole thought process have to be changed before enlightenment can happen for any individual?

    EQ:  No, individuals can reach a level of enlightenment.  This has been proven by many entities upon Terra without help.  Is it harder?  Amazingly so.

    I was wondering about all the people that were there on their vacations.  Did they, in their mind, plan that that was going to be it?

    EQ:  It could have been that this was their choice for leaving the planet.  Everyone has their choice to leave.

    Aren’t they still finding survivors?

    EQ:  Yes.

    Even after four weeks.

    They just believed they’d live.

    EQ:  And maybe they needed to have the experience of surviving very roughly for a while.

    At a soul level, you make those choices?

    EQ:  Yes.

    Before coming here?

    EQ:  Yes.

    It’s all written?

    EQ:  We do not want thee to be confused here.  Thee are dreaming.  So, let us use this for an example.  Thee are worried.  Something’s going wrong at work.  Right?  Thee fall asleep.  Thee  have a dream.  In the dream, everything goes wrong at work.  Correct?  Is the dream real?  Dost thou understand what we meant?  She just said that the soul sets this up.  Correct?  Well, if thee are dreaming, the soul says, “Hmm, I think I want to play with this dream today.”  It doesn’t set it up, it is dreaming it.

    Some dreams are more powerful than other dreams.  At least they seem more powerful.

    EQ:  And they are more powerful.

    So, for example, setting oneself on fire is a more powerful illusion or belief than, say, I don’t need to be sad right now.

    EQ:  And let us tell thee why.  Because the planet believes that.  Everyone on the planet believes that scorching thy skin hurts.

    Except for those guys who walk on coals in India.

    EQ:  And those guys that do set themselves on fire in India and other places and don’t survive it, they die through it, but they’re not screaming in agony, are they?  Ok?  So to them it isn’t.  It is an illusion.  There are beings upon Terra that can partially get past certain illusions and not others.  There are beings on Terra that get past the illusion that emotions are less painful than physical.  Dost thou understand?

    No.

    EQ:  There are entities that if they love enough – which is an emotion – can withstand great deals of physical pain.  Is this not so?  So, they have surpassed, slightly, the overwhelming illusion, the planetary illusion.  Dost thou understand?  But they can’t do it in the entirety, only in that place.  Dost thou know why?  Because upon Terra, for Love, thee can do anything!  For a moment or so anyway.  Is this not so?

    How much latitude do we have as individuals in going against what the planetary consciousness says is so?

    EQ:  Once thee get out of the illusions thee have everything thee can.  The planetary illusion no longer applies.  Did Jesus walk on water?

    Yes.

    If it was reported right.


    EQ:  Yes.  And whether that’s true or not is irrelevant.  We are using the  illusion.  If he believed he could, then he could turn it to ice, lets say.  And the whole planet believed he could walk on it.  The question is how did he do it?

    A little more about animals…I watched a program on TV about these people who had a farm with a lot of chickens.  They had this rooster that, when they chopped off his head, he did not die like all the other chickens.  He lived and they showed him in a freak show.  It’s as if the bird did not know that you’re not supposed to live with out a head.

    EQ:  It is true, however, this bird had a little anomaly that they didn’t talk about.  It takes a certain part of the brain, the pons, to keep something alive.  Dost thou understand?

    They didn’t chop off the whole head?

    EQ:  No.  They chopped off the whole head.  It just so happened that his pons was in his neck.  He did not need his head.  This did not mean he was higher functioning.  He was only able to function as a rooster.  Dost thou understand?  Dost thou need a higher functioning brain to be a rooster?

    Was he enlightened?  Oh…no.

    EQ:  Thee don’t need a higher functioning brain to be enlightened.

    But that’s very similar to a person loosing a limb and having the pain.

    EQ:  No.  It is not similar.  The phantom pain is due to the fact that thee are energy.  Are thee not?  If thee are truly energy and are not physical, as we’ve been saying all along, then when thee loose anything, have thee lost it?

    No.

    But then, we never had it to begin with because it’s all an illusion.

    EQ:  Is this not fun?

    It seems like the harder we try to transcend the illusion sometimes, the harder it becomes.

    EQ:  Absolutely, because trying doesn’t work.

    You either do it or you don’t.

    EQ:  No.  It’s not even “you either do it or you don’t”.  It is all about one little, itty bitty break in the illusion.  And then thee trust.  And then the break gets bigger and thee trust more.  And the break gets bigger and thee trust a little more.  That’s what it is.  If thee try to jump into it, thee will scare thyself.  And what happens when thee are afraid?

    You run away.

    EQ:  It shuts everything down.  Thee go into the pons and thee become a rooster!

    You find that comfort zone and you stay there because you know it.

    EQ:  It’s a stretching the fabric.  Making that small hole.

    My brain hurts.

    EQ:  See.  The brain hurts if you try too hard.

    Have there been time in our lives when these opportunities have presented themselves?

    EQ:  Absolutely.

    It seems, I can’t remember a specific instance in my life, but it’s almost like, “Wait.  This isn’t real.  Something’s not right,” and then it’s gone.

    EQ:  Yes, absolutely.  That’s exactly what it is.  Thee have all had it too.  Have thee ever been sitting there and looking out at nothing and notice that everything seems to be waving?

    Oh, yes.

    EQ:  And there’s no substance to it.  What do you think that is?

    A migraine?

    EQ:  That’s a possibility too.  But if no pain comes with it, then we would suggest that what thee are doing is the illusion is disappearing a bit.

    Can drugs lead you to that?  I’ve heard of people taking drugs and seeing things move.

    EQ:  We would say drugs alter the chemical balance and depending upon the person and how they handle the altering, it can or it can make things worse.

    I remember when I was little and sitting in church and bored, I would entertain myself by watching the statues move and the floor wave.

    EQ:  Yes.  Thee were letting go of the illusion or recreating a different one.  The one in which the statue was moving.  Changing thy dream.  Have thee ever done this?

    Lucid dreaming.

    EQ:  Yes, very good.  Have thee ever sat there and stared at thyself and then felt that thee were staring at someone thee didn’t know?

    Yes.

    EQ:  This is what we were talking about that Jesus did, stepped outside himself and watched himself.

    So it’s not just all an illusion.  It’s about enlightenment and bringing everybody together, right?

    EQ:  Well, this is how thee get out of the illusion.

    By bringing more people to consciousness?

    EQ:  This is how thee get out of the illusion, yes.

    Everyone just has to find their own way to get through their illusions?

    EQ:  Unfortunately, because this is the planetary consciousness, that it is not the linked consciousness, but the separate consciousness, yes.

    So, when somebody says, “I believe in this,” or “I believe in that,” you can look at them and say, “That’s good.”  Because really, you have no opinion of what’s good for them or what’s not.

    EQ:  You shouldn’t have an opinion.  It doesn’t do thee any good anyway.

    Why do we ask each other for each other’s opinion all the time?

    EQ:  And do thee listen?

    No, unless it agrees with what we want to hear.

    EQ:  Exactly.  And we would say that the reason thee are doing this is thee all have the desire to be linked, to be loved and accepted, but none of thee feel like thee are.

    So, once you’ve woken up, you can go in and out of the illusion at will?

    EQ:  Well, as we said, thee can get lost in it again if thee are not careful.  But if thee can be careful, yes, thee can go in and out of the illusion at will.

    When you’re out of the illusion, are you literally out of it or can you still be present in the illusion and playing along with it?

    EQ:  Yes.

    Like the actor playing the part and knowing he’s playing a part.

    EQ:  Yes.  Exactly.

    So, play your role.

    EQ:  Or create your role.



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